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Tai taspac tiesioginis kuro ipurskimas tik skirtingai vadinamas
TDI - fokieciu naudojamas pavadinimas
HDI - francuziskas pavadinimas

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C5 Estate 2.2 `02 Aluminium Grey
eX Xsara Picasso 2.0 `02 Mauritius Blue
eX Xsara Picasso 1.8 `00 Bora Bora Green

Manau, kad tai tik tavo asmeninis isitikinimas! Jei ne, tai pateik faktus!

As kazkaip irgi manau, kad:

Be to, prancuzu dyzeliokai yra patvaresni uz tavo giriamus vokiskuosius!

P.S.: mersu dyzeliu neskaiciuojam (o ir nera pas mersus "TDI")!

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Marius Umbražiūnas
2007 Grand C4 Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (Boingas)

O Tu nuvaziuok i dyzelservisa Vilniuje, arba i dizrida Kaune, kur Tamstai patogiau ir pasisnekek su variklistais, o ypac su tais, kurie turbinas ir siurblius remontuoja.

Tai sakai, kad dabar vokieciai prancuzus jau aplenke?

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Marius Umbražiūnas
2007 Grand C4 Picasso 2.0 HDi Exclusive (Boingas)

tai gal faktu?

nes pvz koleginas vazineja su volvo 97m, ir su tuo TDI volksvageno, o as su HDI, mano sanaudos mazesnes, nors spaudziu ir draskausi daugiau...
tai paminek faktu

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C xsara Picasso 1.6HDi 07

mmmindaugas@gmail.com

Del sanaudu, anksciau jau minejau, bet galiu ir pasikartoti, kad Xsara universalas su 2,0 HDI (90 AG) vidutiniskai ima daugiau uz Seat Toledo 1,9 TDI (110 AG) 1,5-2 Ltr ir Skoda Octavia 1,9 TDI (90 AG) 1-1,5 Ltr. Vairuotojas tas pats.
Eksplotacija. Dirzu su guoliai keitimas pas daugiau nei 1,5 karto brangesnis, kai keiti tik tepalus ir filtrus 1,3 karto, taciau siurblio remontas skiriasi zenkliai, purkstuku irgi.
Kas del auksciau mineto Volvo, tai ten 97 m masina ir stovi visai kita kuro padavimo sistema, iskaitant ir siurbli, bei jo valdyma. Manau ten variklis, kuris ejo nuo 92 ar kuriu ten metu, kita vertus ten ir kubatura 2,5, plius kw daugiau, nors 1,9 TDI 110 arkliu ekonomiskesnis uz 90 Ag.

o tai ten visokie TDI, HDI, CDI, DCI, CRDI, JTD, D4D, Etc... irgi skirtingi?

veikimo principas toks pat.

Kautros du dviaukščiai autobusai prasukę apie 1 200 000 ir jie gimę 2001,06 mėnesį Mačiau šiaip ne vieną fūra virš lemono ir be kapitalkės

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Vovka
C4 Grand Picasso exclusive +
Troleibusas 4x4

Nea "verčiasi"

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Vovka
C4 Grand Picasso exclusive +
Troleibusas 4x4

na kiek esu skaites apie bandymus, tai niekas hdi nepeikia.. kaip tik, jei neklystu, tai jie silpnesnius hdi laiko tokiais pachiais pajegiais kaip sakykim vw 10 - 20 AG stipresni varikliai.. reikia paieshkoti, kur chia skaichiau

va radau shi bei ta, tikrau buvau skaites dar ir kitur, bet chia ish vieno anglu testu (apie 1,6 hdi - 110 AG ideta i peugeot 206):
Anyone who has driven the SEAT Ibiza TDI 130 and the Skoda Fabia vRS 130 knows they don’t drive anything like a GTI. You get frantic grunt between 2,000rpm and 3,000rpm, but nothing much below or above this rev band and have to use the 6-speed box row them along to get a satisfying drive.

But PSA’s 1.6 16v diesel drives completely differently. It stumps up 180 lb ft torque at 1,750rpm and 110bhp at 4,000rpm. But it also ‘overboosts’ in the higher gears only, giving up to 195lb ft. So it’s eager rather than raucous from a standing start, then has a lovely lump of mid-range urge that doesn’t suddenly peter out like all-or-nothing VAG engines. It even revs smoothly right the way to 5,200rpm, giving 50 in 2nd, 81 in 3rd, 114 in 4th and a theoretical 142 in 5th. And while this isn’t the 6,000 – 7,000 rpm of a true GTI, it’s enough to feel very like one. This car is seriously good fun to drive.



ir gali buti, kad kai kurie statistiniai rodikliai to pezho gal ir prastesni, tachiau esme yra visapusishkumas...

Kaip jau minejote tai naujos kartos common rail varikliai (tiesioginis ipurskimas i cilindra), pirmoji sia technologija isrado ir uzpatentavo Audi TDi. Varikliai ejo jau nuo 1991-92 metu, galima nusipirkti "silke" su 2.5TDI )
Visi kiti gamintojai tiek prancuzai, tiek vokietukai tik neperseniausiai susigriebe common rail pateikti vartotojams. Nuo seno prancuzai garseje gerai dyzeliniais varikliais siek tiek uzmigo ant lauru, bet su HDI bando kazka naujo pasauliui parodyti.
Kiek teko kalbeti su variklininkais visi TDI labiau myli, be to ir variantu versiju yra nemazai iseje. Buvo bandyta ir i sportines masinas deti pvz. Audi TT 1.9TDI limited edition 150a.g.!!! galingumas didelis, bet ir kuro sanaudos jau nebera optimalios:(

Gooooogle "common rail diesel history first" ir ziurim ka turim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_rail

Pasiskaitom ir daugiau neburiam apie 1992 audi su common rail

The common rail system on its prototype was already developed in late sixties with Mr. Hiber in Switzerland. After that, Ganser of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology focusing on his research the common rail technology was advanced. In mid nineties, Dr. Shohei Itoh and Masahiko Miyaki, Japanese automotive parts manufacturer Denso Corporation, developed the Common Rail Fuel System for Heavy Duty Vehicles and finally turned into its first practical use on their ECD-U2 common Rail system, which was mounted on the HINO RAISING RANGER truck and sold for general use in 1995. Later in 1997 the German automotive parts manufacturer Robert Bosch GmbH extended its use for passenger car.

Common rail engines have been used in marine and locomotive applications in times past. The Cooper-Bessemer GN-8 (circa 1942) is an example of a hydraulically operated common rail diesel engine, also know as a modified common rail.

With rising fuel prices throughout the 1990s, a number of companies, including Robert Bosch GmbH, Fiat,Volvo and MTU, attempted (separately) to develop new Diesel engines with lower emissions and higher fuel efficiency.

Common rail engines were first used by the Fiat subsidiary Alfa Romeo, and the technology is most commonly used by Fiat, under their MultiJet brandname. The engines are suitable for all types of road car, including small hatchbacks such as the Fiat Panda.

Common Rail today
Today the common rail system is responsible for a revolution in diesel engine technology. Delphi Automotive Systems of the US also make common-rail systems. Different car makers refer to their common rail engines by different names, e.g. DaimlerChrysler's CDI, Ford Motor Company's TDCi (most of these engines are manufactured by PSA), Fiat Group's (Fiat, Alfa Romeo and Lancia) JTD, Renault's DCi, GM/Opel's CDTi (most of these engines are manufactured by Fiat, other by Isuzu), Hyundai's CRDI, Mitsubishi's D-ID, PSA Peugeot Citroen's HDI, Toyota's D-4D, Volkswagen's TDi, and so on.

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Vytis
Twizy Z.E.

Pati technologija buvao jau seniai atrasta (dar rusiskuose kamazuose naudojamas tiesioginis saliarkos ipurskimas i cilindra), bet buvo daug technologiniu klausimu kaip garsus variklio darbas ir t.t. (vien del garso nuslopinimo ir buvo dedamos "forkameros" - t.y. ne tiesioginis kuro ipurskimas).
Bet tiesa tai tokia gal ir plaukiojo submarinas su common rail, bet nei CDI, nei TCDI, nei TDS ar HDI nebuvo pradeti gaminti 92 metais:))